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Almaravarion Veryamahtar Alzhara Industries Beacon Light Alliance 0	Posted - 2013.01.02 22:58:00 - [1] - Quote Greetings, I'm Chief Executive Officer of Alzhara Industries. In past days I have received information via EVE-Mail about Joshua Vaughn Lampen being a scammer, with link to this thread. Shortly afterwards I have sent the following mail to accuser : Quote: Re: joshua vaughn lampen From: Almaravarion Veryamahtar Sent: 2013.01.02 16:03 To: clamslayer, Greetings, At this point I've seen you throwing accusations, for now I have word of one man versus word of another without any proofs on either side; i'd like to see either API with Wallet journal access to confirm what I've heard to be transfer of 5 billion isk to one of Joshua Vaughn Lampen's characters OR screenshot with said transfer. As there is no way to prove such transfer never had happened it's much easier to prove your words by providing data of time of said transfer; Especially as I can easily ask for full wallet API of the second party. I do not intend however to work through hundreds of pages of transfers just to find one. This is why I'd like to ask for either of these 2 proofs of said transfer. EVE History provides hundreds if not thousands of examples where words of single man can be worth nothing, as you yourself happened to mention; In past I've lost over 2 billion isk [where PLEX costed about 150 million if not less] because I trusted words alone, this is why I will not relay on your words alone. Regards, Almaravarion Veryamahtar Today I have had the following private conversation with said person : Quote: Channel ID: -36150828 Channel Name: Private Chat (clamslayer) Listener: Almaravarion Veryamahtar Session started: 2013.01.02 22:37:26 n++[ 2013.01.02 22:37:30 ] clamslayer > hi n++[ 2013.01.02 22:37:32 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > Greetings n++[ 2013.01.02 22:37:36 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > Have you read my mail ? n++[ 2013.01.02 22:37:48 ] clamslayer > you do realize i can effectively edit a screenshot with windows paint right? n++[ 2013.01.02 22:37:51 ] clamslayer > yes i have n++[ 2013.01.02 22:38:01 ] clamslayer > and i understand your point n++[ 2013.01.02 22:38:17 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > you do realize if you edit it EVE API will provide me with answer it's edited as you cannot edit EVE API and I already have needed API ? n++[ 2013.01.02 22:38:17 ] clamslayer > you familiar with phaser inc and eve intergalactic bank? n++[ 2013.01.02 22:38:27 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > yes, i've heard of these n++[ 2013.01.02 22:38:35 ] clamslayer > Josh n++[ 2013.01.02 22:38:39 ] clamslayer > is up to the same thing n++[ 2013.01.02 22:38:57 ] clamslayer > i dont want to see another large scale scam n++[ 2013.01.02 22:39:20 ] clamslayer > he is going to continue to gather investors n++[ 2013.01.02 22:39:25 ] clamslayer > and eventually run with the isk n++[ 2013.01.02 22:39:29 ] clamslayer > like i said clever guy n++[ 2013.01.02 22:39:36 ] clamslayer > 1. writes up a great post n++[ 2013.01.02 22:39:40 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > ever heard of 'innocent until proven guilty' ? Once I have one side of proof I can either confirm OR deny your claim; with reference date I can look for your claim on HIS wallet API n++[ 2013.01.02 22:39:44 ] clamslayer > 2. includes graphs n++[ 2013.01.02 22:40:16 ] clamslayer > 3, found a good indy corp to join right before starting his plan n++[ 2013.01.02 22:40:26 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > clam, question - do you read what I write to you ? n++[ 2013.01.02 22:40:34 ] clamslayer > yes n++[ 2013.01.02 22:40:50 ] clamslayer > you do realize that an API will not prove him innocent right? n++[ 2013.01.02 22:40:50 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > until you provide me with your side of proof of scam, I cannot trust your words alone n++[ 2013.01.02 22:41:04 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > can you tell me how not as I have FULL WALLET API n++[ 2013.01.02 22:41:18 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > thus can confirm if he had received your transfer or not ? n++[ 2013.01.02 22:41:20 ] clamslayer > 5. everytime someone starts up a investment group and gathers isk without giving investors collateral n++[ 2013.01.02 22:41:28 ] clamslayer > it turns out to be a scam n++[ 2013.01.02 22:41:43 ] clamslayer > there has not been one group that has stayed legit n++[ 2013.01.02 22:42:03 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > clam - every timee people heard 'I've made a flying machine' it was a bullshit unless someone proved them right n++[ 2013.01.02 22:42:14 ] clamslayer > eve history repeats its self n++[ 2013.01.02 22:42:32 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > again - give me something to catch on, and I will act on it, until then you're just a loudmouth without any power n++[ 2013.01.02 22:42:33 ] clamslayer > all the evidence is there before you mate n++[ 2013.01.02 22:42:43 ] clamslayer > power n++[ 2013.01.02 22:42:51 ] clamslayer > never said i had any or wanted any n++[ 2013.01.02 22:42:52 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > to influence my actions n++[ 2013.01.02 22:43:03 ] clamslayer > im not trying to influence you n++[ 2013.01.02 22:43:13 ] clamslayer > im simply laying out all the things you should look at n++[ 2013.01.02 22:43:30 ] clamslayer > the reason why Josh brings so much to the table is because this was all planned out befoer hand n++[ 2013.01.02 22:43:31 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > again - for now - you're just a loudmouth in my eyes, giving your arguments that ARE logic I admit, but you are laying accusations without any base proofs of transfer you 'had made' [conitnued in second post]
Almaravarion Veryamahtar Alzhara Industries Beacon Light Alliance 0	Posted - 2013.01.02 23:02:00 - [2] - Quote Quote: [Continued from above post] n++[ 2013.01.02 22:43:49 ] xxxxxx > fair enough n++[ 2013.01.02 22:43:57 ] xxxxxx > i hope im wrong n++[ 2013.01.02 22:44:02 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > additionally you are failing to provide me even easily manufacturable proof, on which I can act and confirm using CCP tools n++[ 2013.01.02 22:44:13 ] xxxxxx > eve history says im right n++[ 2013.01.02 22:44:20 ] xxxxxx > I dont like throwing my api around n++[ 2013.01.02 22:44:29 ] xxxxxx > im worth hundreds of billions of isk n++[ 2013.01.02 22:44:30 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > I never asked YOU for an API n++[ 2013.01.02 22:44:41 ] xxxxxx > what do you want then n++[ 2013.01.02 22:44:48 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > I asked you for EITHER wallet API OR Screenshot, as mentioned in my mail n++[ 2013.01.02 22:44:53 ] xxxxxx > a screen shot that i can modify with windows paint n++[ 2013.01.02 22:44:56 ] xxxxxx > in 2 minutes n++[ 2013.01.02 22:44:58 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > yes, you can n++[ 2013.01.02 22:45:05 ] xxxxxx > im not going to go through the trouble n++[ 2013.01.02 22:45:12 ] xxxxxx > because nhonestly it isnt about my isk mate n++[ 2013.01.02 22:45:14 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > but it won't show later in EVE API have got from Josh already n++[ 2013.01.02 22:45:15 ] xxxxxx > its about eve n++[ 2013.01.02 22:45:28 ] xxxxxx > the community n++[ 2013.01.02 22:45:49 ] xxxxxx > large scale scams are great in that they bring attension to the game n++[ 2013.01.02 22:46:00 ] xxxxxx > but its not worth the players lost n++[ 2013.01.02 22:46:07 ] xxxxxx > screen shots are worthless man n++[ 2013.01.02 22:46:16 ] xxxxxx > like i said windows paint n++[ 2013.01.02 22:46:19 ] xxxxxx > anyway n++[ 2013.01.02 22:46:19 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > clam - again - it's not a screen shot that I truly want n++[ 2013.01.02 22:46:29 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > I want date of so-called 'Transfer' n++[ 2013.01.02 22:46:37 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > AND character that received that transfer n++[ 2013.01.02 22:46:46 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > until then you are doing EVE version of this : http://xkcd.com/1122/ n++[ 2013.01.02 22:47:04 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > never though WHY I am asking about as worthless thing as Screenshot ? n++[ 2013.01.02 22:47:06 ] xxxxxx > not going to open it haha n++[ 2013.01.02 22:47:19 ] xxxxxx > nothing will change your mind n++[ 2013.01.02 22:47:22 ] xxxxxx > fly safe mate n++[ 2013.01.02 22:47:25 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > because it's easy way to confirm if you're honest n++[ 2013.01.02 22:47:25 ] xxxxxx > i hope im wrong n++[ 2013.01.02 22:47:27 ] Almaravarion Veryamahtar > fly safe Short Recap : - my request for either API OR Screenshot [most likely I expected it to be the latter] failed; I received no screenshots; modified or not; - said screenshot would be confirmed via API of wallet transfers of Joshua Vaughn Lampen's character of interest - no initial confirmation was feasible due to potential use of alts I believe this conversation might interest Market Discussion forum and this thread as Joshua Vaughn Lampen was accused of scamming without any proofs provided at all [even knowing the ease of manipulation of said proof]. Regards, Almaravarion Veryamahtar Chief Executive Officer of Alzhara Industries

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